WWDC 23 is just a few hours away, whaT WOULD you all like to see?

this one is really a live event not a pre-record show.
so, anyone know that will it have audio description on apple tv?

Bug fixes. Lots and lots of bug fixes. Like, I don't want any more new features if bugs just keep piling up and VO gets less responsive and reliable.

Beta testers improved. We have a disgustingly low in beta testers if I read what I read right and believe it. I'm a skeptic though so I don't. Like this crazy notion that there are blind internal workers in various areas. I just call bull crap on it. why? Because i rode with a senior advisor who pretty much blatantly said, they had no one with any type of disability working for them. If a senior advisor said that, I believe them not the keyboard crusaders who swear their room mate's friend's uncle's girl knows a guy... You want to get me to be proven wrong? get me in touch with this supposed person and i'll make them wish they never met me by the time I expose how deplorable accessibility is on at least Mac and IOs. Watch OS I haven't had much issue but I just gone one. still they can let the watch do something like if I program a alert for a contact, let the watch ring so I know, oh it's my boyfriend etc. Here's to the next public beta and reporting as much as i can. Hope more people keep on beta testing and if you're scared of breaking a primary device? Well I'm not so, just get out there and be proactive. :)

I’m eager to see whether the rumored headset will be released and whether it’ll have any features useful for a low vision audience like a magnifier. It doesn’t seem likely, but I can hope. What I really look forward to when WWDC comes around though is learning about the new Swift and API features.

Paul, I wasn't even thinking about a magnifier but you might be right. Now if there's a voice over option even limited as it might start out, I'd be curious to have a demo done but of course this is kinda hush hush hush unless you're a dev. I wouldn't spend the three grand on it and maybe it will be a gaming device instead of whatever else but who knows? Here's to WWDC.

i, to, am interested in the apple ar/vr headset.
im also interested in the 15inch mack air.
ios 17 also would sound neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

More blind people need to beta test and report bugs. That is the bottom line.

In Brisbane where I live in Australia, WWDC 23 is it 3 am
If I want to watch it live on YouTube I need to wake up at the ungodliest times at 3 am in the morning just to watch Tim Cook rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about apples on you, innovative, stylish technologies
Yeah right, I’ll believe it when I see it. But I’m not waking up at three in the morning just to watch a 50 something-year-old guy rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about a technology company that is Collapsing when it comes to accessibility,
And Dennis, how can you say that when iOS 15 was amazing of accessibility

What about that focus jumping issue
I’m not everyone can be to test

Massive focus on bug fixes, a elevated importance of getting the basics right for accessibility. I’m interested in the AR headset, I don’t expect any accessibility features in v1 but maybe Apple will surprise me. I’d guess its going to be a couple of versions in before XR OS gets voiceover but its one area apple are great in. taking things that weren’t accessible and changing that. I know VO likely isn’t going to get a mention but my dream WWDC would have Tim saying we’re giving VO the resources it needs to be the great accessibility solution we promised. Nothing is going out the door unless its as usable with VO as it is without. lol. obviously thats not going to happen but I can wish.

So? No one’s forcing you to watch or buy their products. Some of us happen to enjoy the anticipation and theatre of an Apple event. If you don’t, that’s your problem. I’d also argue that accessibility isn’t “collapsing” at Apple because at least some of the long standing bugs often seem to be of the variety that manifest randomly or affect fewer people, which are harder to fix than other bugs.

I completely agree with you paul.

I'm interested to see how the MR headset gets positioned after years of rumors. I think all the really interesting stuff about iOS 17 won't come out till people get their hands on the dev beta, just like happened with Eloquence last year. It's gonna be really hard to avoid anything Apple till I get home from work and can watch the keynote. lol

As for people wanting nothing but bug fixes, this just sounds like any other Apple enthusiast forum where half the people want Apple to do nothing but fix bugs, and the other half want change just for the sake of change because they think iOS has gotten boring. As a completely blind person, I don't understand some people's constant asking to be able to put icons anywhere on the home screen or wanting to remove the home bar.

As for accessibility, I went down the google rabit hole the other day and read the transcript for that "the greatest" accessibility add that Apple released at the end of last year. The transcript told me a lot more than just watching the AD version on YouTube. It got me thinking: do all these accessibility features for people with other disabilities have as many bugs as VO does for us? How do they impact those users? Are they more of a show stopper for them than VO is for us? If, for example, there's a bug with switch or voice control, does it severely impact one person's use of their iPhone more than someone else's? Kind of like how some VO users end up calling the wrong person from their recent calls list, yet that has never happened to me, and the temporarily losing speech is annoying, but certainly not a show stopper for me. Not like the bug in 13 where VO would completely stop talking after you hung up a call and you had to restart your phone to get it back, resulting in a lot of unintended calls to emergency services.

None of us knows how the accessibility team at Apple is set up. If it's a smaller team working on all accessibility features, whose serious bugs get priority for this version? VoiceOver? Zoom? Voice Control? Guided Access?

I do agree though that beta testing is a catch 22. If more people don't beta test, fewer bugs will get reported and hopefully resolved. But at the same time Apple tells people not to beta test on their primary device and not everyone has a second and likely older device to test on. And if people do test, do the same issues affect an older iPhone or an iPad the same as I would someone's newer, and primary device?

The real bottom line is that we can report all we want. It's up to Apple to see the reports and fix the bugs. And with some Apple accessibility folks preferring to get bug reports on Twitter rather than from the Feedback app, well now that defeats the purpose of even filing feedback now doesn't it.

just ask siri. there seems to be a bug that if you ask, siri will tell you everything new coming later today.

I don’t see how the mixt reality headset will be made accessible for totally blind people. but, Apple came out with so many things that I never thought could be. so who knows.

beta testing. I will be testing the developer beta, lagitamitly through developer.apple.com. there is a change in the way betas are distributed now, so pirates will have a harder time getting them. me and a friend got betaprofiles.com shut down, and that I think prompted Apple to make the change. maybe Apple will finally fix the bug with third-party voices, where VoiceOver doesn’t support all languages that they support.

it would be cool lol.

I will be very surprised if the first version is accessible but only apple knows how they are interacting with the operating system and how that can be made accessible. I do think it will happen though. I can imagine a future where the headset is an essential accessibility tool for many people. Just think, it will have multiple cameras, probably other sensors like GPS and other location services, LIDAR, magnetometer, gyro’s and accelerometers and most importantly a connection to cloud services. Why not a device which can see and interpret the world with an AI assistant constantly available for a conversation. It could be like having sighted help with you all the time thats context and location aware while also knowing everything ever. It might even be quite friendly. I wonder if it will still have the focus bug and voiceover crashing problem. I don’t care how friendly it is, I’m not putting up with that. seriously though, this could evolve into what they call a game changer.

That's all I care about right now. I've lost interest in any new features they may or may not come out with, because they can't get what they already have working correctly.
Beta testing... I tested on my iPad this time around. I refuse to do so on my phone because it's my only phone. I submitted feedback about the focus issues, about the crashes. I know others did as well. And yet here we are, several months later, and both issues are still present.

Well nice people a great device for sighted people. Blind I do not know. The VOS focuses on using movement of the eyes. Similar to what a fighter pilot does with his HUD to select weapons. Voiceover already have issues with apps and bugs within iOS and sometimes with WatchOS. Nice time to be sighted.

A press release if not a mention in WWDC. Is it going to be accessible? I don’t see any reason why it can’t be controlled with hands but they didn’t say anything about it and so far nothing on twitter etc.

Apple has dropped support for the iPhone 8 and iPhone X. You won’t be able to update iOS 17
Who is the iOS supported devices list
IPhone XS tennis Max turn off
IPhone 11 11 pro 11 pro max SE 2020
IPhone 12 iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12th pro iPhone 12 Pro Max
iPhone 13 iPhone 13 mini iPhone 13 pro iPhone 13 pro max iPhone SE 2022 iPhone 14 iPhone 14+
iPhone 14 pro iPhone 14 pro max

The accessibility of VisionOS was mentioned in the Platform State of the Union. VO is supposed to be supported from day 1, and I also got the impression that finger pointing or other hand gestures may be available as an alternative to eye tracking.