I used to think Apple Support was pretty darn good, until this happened

By Mert Ozer, 15 April, 2025

Forum
Other Apple Chat

Hello guys,

I used to hear that Apple Support was pretty darn good, and I thought so too—until my last experience with them. After posting on AppleVis about VoiceOver being unresponsive and other bugs that came with macOS 15.4, I started a chat with Apple Support just to ask if I could downgrade my macOS version to the one my MacBook came with (15.1) or to 15.3 without losing any data. They put me on hold for over 10 minutes after asking for my serial number, MacBook model, etc. After all that, I expected a short and definite answer—yes or no. Instead, the support person started sending me articles about updating macOS to the latest version and reinstalling macOS from macOS Recovery. But those didn’t answer my question, so I asked again: Can I downgrade to any other macOS Sequoia version without data loss? And, funny enough, they sent me articles about how shutting down your computer without saving your work could lead to data loss. They also wanted to end the chat before I did, saying, “I hope it was helpful, wish you a good day!” At that point, I had wasted over half an hour, so I ended the chat and took the survey about my experience—I gave them 1 star.

What can these people even do other than take your serial number and send you a bunch of irrelevant articles? Seriously, I thought they weren’t even Apple for a second. Also, as far as I know, Apple Support isn’t free once your coverage expires. Anyway, rant over—but I’d love to hear about other people’s experiences. Was it helpful for you?

Options

Comments

By Maldalain on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 06:53

If you have Apple store where you are, schedule a meeting with genius bar technician. I believe Apple support has moved overseas and you may have difficulty understanding their language.

By Mert Ozer on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 07:53

Can you clarify what you meant by that? My point is, researching on Reddit, the internet, or AppleVis is way more helpful at this point than Apple Support—and that’s ridiculous.

By jim pickens on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 08:53

I’ve always seen research as more helpful than support, because they’re so darn incompetent 99.5% of the time. That being said, if you go to your local Apple Store if you have one, the experience is pretty amazing, I’ve never seen such a good customer experience ever, that being said, Our customer experience is more like, oh, you want a refund? I don’t know, I’m not feeling it today, I’ll just say it’s not covered or something. So maybe my standards are real low

By Mert Ozer on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 17:00

Man, I'm trying to make a bootable usb; I've tried installing 15.2, 15.3, and 15.4 but non worked. I'm applying the steps mentioned on 9to5Mac's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Tb_EdIG3c&t=108s

When I type “softwareupdate --fetch-full-installer --full-installer-version 15.4” on my m4 pro macbook pro which is also running 15.4, it scanns for the update for a while and gives the following error: Install failed with error: Update not found I had typed the command to show the available software and 15.4 was showing up. I also tried to make a bootable usb by using the installer I downloaded from the Appstore but it didn’t work either: Failed to extract AssetData/boot/Firmware/Manifests/InstallerBoot/* from update bundle The bless of the installer disk failed. I don’t know what to do at this point, any suggestions?

By jim pickens on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 17:44

Did you try grabbing the installer package directly from Apple bypassing the App Store, I’m not sure if you can do it with an IPSW, but it might work.

By PaulMartz on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 19:52

Sorry, I have no answer. Just this warning. I downgraded once and found that my iTunes library still behaved as if it had the more recent version. That is, the downgraded Music app could not access my music files. Beware.

By Brad on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 20:02

it seams when it comes to blindness; the amazon support knows nothing, and it's the same with the google support.

I think siobhan said once that peple who are disabled should be in these rolls and I completely agree.

I understand it's not exactly the same but I hope you don't mind me taking over the topic a little.

These people really do frustrate me.

The thing is; I could do these jobs, I just don't want to, I prefer outdoors stuff.

here's an example of google support not knowing what they're talking about, so I speak to a woman called Maria, after explaining what was wrong with youtube, even though she could read what I wrote in the form, she got it wrong even though it was right there in front of her, I finally got through to her and after explaining that I'd be able to take a screen capture of what's going on, we hung up.

I then read her email, realise that I can't actually take the screen capture thing, explain this, send it, then send another link with others experiencing the same issue with firefox.

I get a response saying something like, Hi Brad, I'm reaching out to ask about the screen recording and I'd like to know your firefox version number.

I wrote a reply explaining that i've already gone over this and she needs to read the first message I wrote again.

Either she didn't read it, or there's a script, or something.

Another thing; a lot of these google support people have kids in the background, or just other noise, or just unprofessional things going on, it's quite off putting to be honest.

Sorry for the long reply,I just get so frustrated with support stuff.

By Rixon Smith on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 - 20:30

As we’ve discussed before, I think it’s a better idea to visit an Apple Store to help with software issues. The main reason I say this is that it’s more one-on-one, and you can get them to understand your problem better than trying to explain it over the phone.

By Maldalain on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 03:08

I have the 15.4 and it is fine. Try to see what might be causing your problems with the current version of your MacoS. Downgrading might not solve your problems.

By Mert Ozer on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 03:56

Honestly, my problems with chat gpt and gemini are not only what I'm experiencing, other people posted about them as well. Also, I can't even get my mac to make a bootable usb with 15.4 ahahaha

By Sebby on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 03:58

I advise the cleanest and quickest solution, which is to put your MBP in DFU mode and blast it with another Mac. Using a USB stick works but it's not really the same procedure as on Intel Macs, you need to carefully delete the old volume group from Recovery before you install, as the Mac technically now boots from an internal partition rather than the USB as such, which just contains the installer.

Also, and this may not be apparent, but try using another port for your USB stick. Yes I know it's crazy, but Apple has documented that booting USB from the DFU port will not work. So you need to identify which port is your DFU port, and then *not* use that port for the USB stick.

Again though, remember that as Paul said, downgrading may not actually be the best option here if you have data that is no longer compatible with an older version, such as your Apple Music library.

By Craig on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 07:31

As your problem is related to having issues with VoiceOver, would Apple's accessibility team be able to help you?

By Mert Ozer on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 08:12

It's crazy but DFU port was the problem. I thought it was the second type-c port on the left side but on my mac it is the first one... I knew that the mac wouldn’t use the usb stick as as a boot disk but I thought since I was only trying to create a bootable media that wouldn’t be a problem. Actually, I don’t even really need to downgrade my mac so bad, it’s just when I can’t do something, I keep on trying until I’m satisfied with the final result, so that’s me. Now I’m transfering data from my time machine backup that was made on mac OS 15.4, will see if it works… It said the migration is complete and is restarting. Let’s see…

By Sebby on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 - 10:07

With Apple Silicon, things around booting, installing and cloning have got really hairy, to the point that it's best to always take the path of least resistance and do your best with your existing backups, just like on iOS really. It's crazy, but you're not supposed to think of Macs and macOS as an open system, because it's not; you instead work within the confines allowed you.

Good luck with it.