I've been a beta tester for several years now & love it, despite the bugs that come with it.
I can’t wait to see what Apple brings us and watchOS 12. If I decide to go through with it, which I probably will, this will be the first beta that I’ve tested on my new Apple Watch.
Everyone knows the only way to beta test is to dogfood with production data and apps, right? Finally got together the gumption to move my iPhone to the 18.4 RC seed, and what do you know, bugs and bugs and bugs and bugs and bugs! And, of course, we can hardly forget the promised new redesign—that's always something we can count on to be buttery smooth and a guarantee of instant life improvement. Yes? Yes yes? Yes yes yes?
Sigh. But the train must rumble on …
Maybe there'll be some real under-the-bonnet improvements. Especially for macOS, I'd really like that. I still like macOS, despite everything …
I mean, they're yet to deliver most of what they promissed they would the last time around, and what they have have been pretty pointless stuff. Did IOS 18 make my life more productive, efficient or less difficult compared to IOS 17? nope. yet did they fix the under-the-hood stuff? nope there as well. unless they're cooking something up that's really interesting which has not leaked and that can roll out instantly, not excited. Design changes? yes, interesting and I definitely will try the betas out, but I don't know if it'll make my life any more productive...
Trust but verify Now I do not trust Apple to tell me the true, so I will wait. They need to appoligize for the AI issue. Sad they will not. Will see what is next.
Well...I guess I forgot my own name! Lol just kidding! But I vaguely remember hearing somewhere that there was a dedicated iOS app for listening to these Apple keynotes and such. What is that app called? I honestly haven't listened to these lately due in part to time constraints, but also because most of what has been said hasn't applied to me. However, now that I have a Braille display and a more advanced iPhone I think more of this stuff will apply to me. In addition, I'm now a proud hearing-aid user.
You're probably thinking of the Apple Developer app. You can watch the different developer sessions or just read the transcripts of them. Some of the accessibility ones are interesting.
In addition to the Apple Developer app and the Events page, Apple keynotes can also be viewed using the TV app on iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and, I'd assume, tvOS.
Considering that 90% of the events I watch are in the TV app.
On the events page, and their YouTube channel are the only places where you can watch the event live. I am not sure about the developer app, and I am 99% sure you cannot watch the event live in the TV app. I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if I am.
Apple is rapidly becoming a snooze fest chasing pointless ideas whilst the things that actually matter get further and further from their grasp.
Personally, I think they should try to purchase Chat GPT or have some similar holdings like Microsoft does. Siri is just too far behind now to catch up and become the useful home assistant it was always touted to be.
I'm wondering if there might be a greater push into games, an apple TV Pro, for example. Though macs are great for certain tasks, they are still shocking when it comes to gaming.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to announce some new and exciting directions these OS are going in,but I really can't tell the difference between the last four or five OSs... No, wait, the new brail commander on IOS, but, that's it. Everything else is stagnating. Tim Cook has done a superb job of making a lot of money, but it seems most of that is on the services side where apple's original bread and butter has become less important.
I thought that Apple Intelligence was really going to be something! Well, like Oliver said, and I agree, Siri isn't any smarter. I turned Apple Intelligence off because it hasn't improved dictation of text messages. I admit, this could be operator error. I'll try Apple intelligence feature again in a later update.
Thanks guys, I will have to check out the developer app. I'm interested in what all they have to say about accessibility, aside from implementing it of course.
It’s definitely not five years behind. It’s two or three years behind. And as I’ve said in other posts, the idea of AI is somewhat useless to you guys with the exception of very specific things.
What you’re going to want is an AI that is a user agent. By that, I mean that you can actually tell it what you need and it will go on the web and do it for you. For example, it will fill out a form for you, it will order food for you, it’ll get you an Uber or a Lyft. All these things exist in a very rudimentary way right now. But they won’t be around for another year or two at least. And by the time Siri with its improvements comes out, it’ll have all of that. So give me a break with the whole I’m disappointed in Siri not being what I needed to be blah blah blah. right now, the most people can do with their “AI “is asking questions and get useful information. And you can already do that with Siri through ChatGPT integration. It may not be as streamlined as you like. And it is there. So be patient. It’s coming. It just isn’t here yet.
It’s definitely not five years behind. It’s two or three years behind. And as I’ve said in other posts, the idea of AI is somewhat useless to you guys with the exception of very specific things.
What you’re going to want is an AI that is a user agent. By that, I mean that you can actually tell it what you need and it will go on the web and do it for you. For example, it will fill out a form for you, it will order food for you, it’ll get you an Uber or a Lyft. All these things exist in a very rudimentary way right now. But they won’t be around for another year or two at least. And by the time Siri with its improvements comes out, it’ll have all of that. So give me a break with the whole I’m disappointed in Siri not being what I needed to be blah blah blah. right now, the most people can do with their “AI “is asking questions and get useful information. And you can already do that with Siri through ChatGPT integration. It may not be as streamlined as you like. And it is there. So be patient. It’s coming. It just isn’t here yet.
I agree, what we want is a smart assistant with agency to help us use complex or outright inaccessible apps and websites. And I can't figure out why this capability seems to lag so far behind other AI capabilities. I'm bombarded with news that AI is leaping forward every day, yesterday's Double Tap predicting programmers would be out of work in a year as one recent example. Yet I still can't tell an AI to simply log me into some website that has all the usability of a junior high student's science fair project. Or just search the iTunes store for all albums by Public Image Limited.
Or tell SIRI to add that phone number to his contacts, or tell me when my sister's flight is coming in. Okay, sorry to keep beating those two dead horses, but Apple kind of asked for it.
You know all, we do not know how it would be with VO. I do not think there are so many blind people who own a Visual pro device. Will no about the bugs when it comes as iOS. Think only 100000 devices were sole. Not enough to check on the bugs regarding VO.
The whole problem I have with Siri is that according to WWDC2024, Siri was supposed to work like a full-fledged agent within IOS 18 itself; Apple even made a fake add about that, still come WWDC2025, Siri is as dumb as ever. And remember, 2-3 years is a very long time in the current tech climate. By the time Siri will be agent-ready in the next couple of years, I can't imagine where apple's competetors would be.
If you don't know, John Gruber is a died-in-the-wool Apple apologist who likes to pretend to be a journalist. (OK, I'll freely admit, that's just my opinion, albeit that I think it's a fairly accurate one.) He wrote this little article, well worth reading for the schadenfreude, called Something Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino, in which he essentially argues that Apple had overstepped its moral authority by promising something that it knew it simply couldn't deliver. I, of course, argue that the problem goes much deeper than that—that Apple's tech debt is a longstanding failure of Apple management, and that Apple Intelligence is just the greatest and most glaring manifestation—but still, reading this from Gruber is certainly sobering.
you’re living in capitalism. Capitalism is not about innovation. It’s about slowing down progress and milking everything for what it’s worth. Google and Microsoft and the other companies aren’t doing any agent stuff right now. They’re just giving us stuff like picture building and environment identification. And that’s fine. Android XR is where Google is going to be in the next two years. And Apple will be right behind them because they’re gonna have their own smart glasses in 2027. None of this is gonna surprise us because they’ve already announced everything.
The Chinese might be somewhere impressive in two years. We definitely won’t be. The only reason we have this much advancement is because of the Chinese. They are really the ones innovating. All you have to do to see that is look up something called near Link.
Apple will catch up. Because Apple always catches up. It’s not the first time people have been ahead of them. It won’t be the last time. Anybody who thought that Apple was going to catch up within a year was being extremely naïve. Of course it was essentially a glamour. And I knew they were going to delay everything. And nothing we saw last year was exactly a user agent. It was mainly just a set of parameters that was going to work with. Fundamentally, there are essentially writing Siri from the ground up. And they’re doing it with actual large language models in mind. In the interim, we’re probably going to get something to temporarily satisfy us. Whether it’s with deep seek or Gemini or whatever. It’ll be fine. In a couple years everybody on this website is going to be oh my God this is amazing I can’t believe how innovative they are blah blah blah blah blah. Because that’s what has always happened. And if that doesn’t happen, we might be using different devices altogether and we will still be like oh my God this is happening blah blah blah it’s so amazing blah blah blah. Either way you’re going to win.
But the user agent models aren’t even really out yet. We’re only just starting to talk about them. By the time apples new Siri comes out in full, everybody also have theirs ready too. Don’t forget that corporations generally work together and set up deals and do everything to make sure they maximize as much profit as they can.
These are all fundamentally very very evil people. None of them have souls. I don’t care that Apple has made accessibility part of their overall framework. They’re not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. They’ve only done it to make money. And Steve Jobs never created anything innovative. He was a great marketer. He was a terrible human being. A worse father. He does not deserve anyone’s adoration. Tim Cook is an evil human being. Bill Gates is a monster. Elon Musk has always been a piece of filth. They don’t deserve any of the accolades that they’ve gotten. The engineers and the developers Might. So please please please consider that we live in a system that is based on exploiting us, not helping.
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Can’t wait!
This is my favorite time of every year, so can’t wait for WWDC.
can't wait as well
I can't wait as well.
Me too! :)
I've been a beta tester for several years now & love it, despite the bugs that come with it.
I can’t wait to see what Apple brings us and watchOS 12. If I decide to go through with it, which I probably will, this will be the first beta that I’ve tested on my new Apple Watch.
I am excited also
I will be beta testing iPadOS 19 on my iPad 9 if its supported, i only got it 2 years ago so it better be 😁
Cheeseburger
With fries and pizza and more fries
What? No!
Everyone knows the only way to beta test is to dogfood with production data and apps, right? Finally got together the gumption to move my iPhone to the 18.4 RC seed, and what do you know, bugs and bugs and bugs and bugs and bugs! And, of course, we can hardly forget the promised new redesign—that's always something we can count on to be buttery smooth and a guarantee of instant life improvement. Yes? Yes yes? Yes yes yes?
Sigh. But the train must rumble on …
Maybe there'll be some real under-the-bonnet improvements. Especially for macOS, I'd really like that. I still like macOS, despite everything …
Somehow I'm pessimistic this time.
I mean, they're yet to deliver most of what they promissed they would the last time around, and what they have have been pretty pointless stuff. Did IOS 18 make my life more productive, efficient or less difficult compared to IOS 17? nope. yet did they fix the under-the-hood stuff? nope there as well. unless they're cooking something up that's really interesting which has not leaked and that can roll out instantly, not excited. Design changes? yes, interesting and I definitely will try the betas out, but I don't know if it'll make my life any more productive...
Trust but verify
Trust but verify Now I do not trust Apple to tell me the true, so I will wait. They need to appoligize for the AI issue. Sad they will not. Will see what is next.
What's My Name Again?
Well...I guess I forgot my own name! Lol just kidding! But I vaguely remember hearing somewhere that there was a dedicated iOS app for listening to these Apple keynotes and such. What is that app called? I honestly haven't listened to these lately due in part to time constraints, but also because most of what has been said hasn't applied to me. However, now that I have a Braille display and a more advanced iPhone I think more of this stuff will apply to me. In addition, I'm now a proud hearing-aid user.
You're probably thinking of…
You're probably thinking of the Apple Developer app. You can watch the different developer sessions or just read the transcripts of them. Some of the accessibility ones are interesting.
You can also watch WWDC online.
Also, you can watch WWDC at Apple's Events page, except right now it doesn't show WWDC yet..
TV app
In addition to the Apple Developer app and the Events page, Apple keynotes can also be viewed using the TV app on iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and, I'd assume, tvOS.
Oh yes, I forgot about that!
Considering that 90% of the events I watch are in the TV app.
On the events page, and their YouTube channel are the only places where you can watch the event live. I am not sure about the developer app, and I am 99% sure you cannot watch the event live in the TV app. I could be wrong, so feel free to correct me if I am.
I wonder if they are going…
I wonder if they are going to include any AI...
Apple is rapidly becoming a snooze fest chasing pointless ideas whilst the things that actually matter get further and further from their grasp.
Personally, I think they should try to purchase Chat GPT or have some similar holdings like Microsoft does. Siri is just too far behind now to catch up and become the useful home assistant it was always touted to be.
I'm wondering if there might be a greater push into games, an apple TV Pro, for example. Though macs are great for certain tasks, they are still shocking when it comes to gaming.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for them to announce some new and exciting directions these OS are going in,but I really can't tell the difference between the last four or five OSs... No, wait, the new brail commander on IOS, but, that's it. Everything else is stagnating. Tim Cook has done a superb job of making a lot of money, but it seems most of that is on the services side where apple's original bread and butter has become less important.
Apple Intelligence.
I thought that Apple Intelligence was really going to be something! Well, like Oliver said, and I agree, Siri isn't any smarter. I turned Apple Intelligence off because it hasn't improved dictation of text messages. I admit, this could be operator error. I'll try Apple intelligence feature again in a later update.
Coming soon ... maybe
Apple is planning to eventually replace the ChatGPT integration and incorporate an all new Siri LLM. Some info below.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-21/apple-readies-more-conversational-llm-siri-in-bid-to-rival-openai-s-chatgpt#:~:text=Apple%20Readies%20More%20Conversational%20Siri%20in%20Bid,next%20year%2C%20with%20rollout%20coming%20in%202026.
https://www.theverge.com/news/622465/siris-real-ai-upgrade-could-still-be-years-away
https://daringfireball.net/2025/03/apple_is_delaying_the_more_personalized_siri_apple_intelligence_features
https://www.laptopmag.com/ai/apple-intelligence-llm-siri-rumored-release-2027
Thanks Guys, Will Have to Check...
Thanks guys, I will have to check out the developer app. I'm interested in what all they have to say about accessibility, aside from implementing it of course.
Brian
Take it with a grane of salt.
@Holger
Saltines.
Brian
Nuts.
Cannot wait
Can't wait to see what the new operating system for the iPhone is going to have and what features it's going to bring for the phones
Vision
More about looking like visual pro and not much features. The AI is in the twilight zone.
Apple should have a rule
Apple doesn't even get to schedule another WWDC until all features promised in the last WWDC are 1) delivered, 2) functional, and 3) accessible.
Oh, how I wish that was the case.
Things would get fixed a lot quicker if that were the case. *cough* SNR... ;)
I'm not holding out much hope for the new siri.
The thing is, it's been done before. Ok, let's say siri gets smarter, well it's at least 5 or so years behind, so it won't be anything huge.
Honestly, the only reason i stay with apple now is just because i know it.
The new design might be interesting but apart from that, nothing makes me excited for new releases anymore.
The only thing I'm interested in would be new voices.
It’s not five years behind
It’s definitely not five years behind. It’s two or three years behind. And as I’ve said in other posts, the idea of AI is somewhat useless to you guys with the exception of very specific things.
What you’re going to want is an AI that is a user agent. By that, I mean that you can actually tell it what you need and it will go on the web and do it for you. For example, it will fill out a form for you, it will order food for you, it’ll get you an Uber or a Lyft. All these things exist in a very rudimentary way right now. But they won’t be around for another year or two at least. And by the time Siri with its improvements comes out, it’ll have all of that. So give me a break with the whole I’m disappointed in Siri not being what I needed to be blah blah blah. right now, the most people can do with their “AI “is asking questions and get useful information. And you can already do that with Siri through ChatGPT integration. It may not be as streamlined as you like. And it is there. So be patient. It’s coming. It just isn’t here yet.
It’s not five years behind
It’s definitely not five years behind. It’s two or three years behind. And as I’ve said in other posts, the idea of AI is somewhat useless to you guys with the exception of very specific things.
What you’re going to want is an AI that is a user agent. By that, I mean that you can actually tell it what you need and it will go on the web and do it for you. For example, it will fill out a form for you, it will order food for you, it’ll get you an Uber or a Lyft. All these things exist in a very rudimentary way right now. But they won’t be around for another year or two at least. And by the time Siri with its improvements comes out, it’ll have all of that. So give me a break with the whole I’m disappointed in Siri not being what I needed to be blah blah blah. right now, the most people can do with their “AI “is asking questions and get useful information. And you can already do that with Siri through ChatGPT integration. It may not be as streamlined as you like. And it is there. So be patient. It’s coming. It just isn’t here yet.
Re: Ash Rein
Looks like you double-posted.
I agree, what we want is a smart assistant with agency to help us use complex or outright inaccessible apps and websites. And I can't figure out why this capability seems to lag so far behind other AI capabilities. I'm bombarded with news that AI is leaping forward every day, yesterday's Double Tap predicting programmers would be out of work in a year as one recent example. Yet I still can't tell an AI to simply log me into some website that has all the usability of a junior high student's science fair project. Or just search the iTunes store for all albums by Public Image Limited.
Or tell SIRI to add that phone number to his contacts, or tell me when my sister's flight is coming in. Okay, sorry to keep beating those two dead horses, but Apple kind of asked for it.
Visual Pro
You know all, we do not know how it would be with VO. I do not think there are so many blind people who own a Visual pro device. Will no about the bugs when it comes as iOS. Think only 100000 devices were sole. Not enough to check on the bugs regarding VO.
Siri
The whole problem I have with Siri is that according to WWDC2024, Siri was supposed to work like a full-fledged agent within IOS 18 itself; Apple even made a fake add about that, still come WWDC2025, Siri is as dumb as ever. And remember, 2-3 years is a very long time in the current tech climate. By the time Siri will be agent-ready in the next couple of years, I can't imagine where apple's competetors would be.
Yes, even John Gruber had a whinge about that.
If you don't know, John Gruber is a died-in-the-wool Apple apologist who likes to pretend to be a journalist. (OK, I'll freely admit, that's just my opinion, albeit that I think it's a fairly accurate one.) He wrote this little article, well worth reading for the schadenfreude, called Something Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino, in which he essentially argues that Apple had overstepped its moral authority by promising something that it knew it simply couldn't deliver. I, of course, argue that the problem goes much deeper than that—that Apple's tech debt is a longstanding failure of Apple management, and that Apple Intelligence is just the greatest and most glaring manifestation—but still, reading this from Gruber is certainly sobering.
We know exactly where they will be
you’re living in capitalism. Capitalism is not about innovation. It’s about slowing down progress and milking everything for what it’s worth. Google and Microsoft and the other companies aren’t doing any agent stuff right now. They’re just giving us stuff like picture building and environment identification. And that’s fine. Android XR is where Google is going to be in the next two years. And Apple will be right behind them because they’re gonna have their own smart glasses in 2027. None of this is gonna surprise us because they’ve already announced everything.
The Chinese might be somewhere impressive in two years. We definitely won’t be. The only reason we have this much advancement is because of the Chinese. They are really the ones innovating. All you have to do to see that is look up something called near Link.
Apple will catch up. Because Apple always catches up. It’s not the first time people have been ahead of them. It won’t be the last time. Anybody who thought that Apple was going to catch up within a year was being extremely naïve. Of course it was essentially a glamour. And I knew they were going to delay everything. And nothing we saw last year was exactly a user agent. It was mainly just a set of parameters that was going to work with. Fundamentally, there are essentially writing Siri from the ground up. And they’re doing it with actual large language models in mind. In the interim, we’re probably going to get something to temporarily satisfy us. Whether it’s with deep seek or Gemini or whatever. It’ll be fine. In a couple years everybody on this website is going to be oh my God this is amazing I can’t believe how innovative they are blah blah blah blah blah. Because that’s what has always happened. And if that doesn’t happen, we might be using different devices altogether and we will still be like oh my God this is happening blah blah blah it’s so amazing blah blah blah. Either way you’re going to win.
But the user agent models aren’t even really out yet. We’re only just starting to talk about them. By the time apples new Siri comes out in full, everybody also have theirs ready too. Don’t forget that corporations generally work together and set up deals and do everything to make sure they maximize as much profit as they can.
Gokul
Steve Jaws would not allow that. Tim is more about money and nothing else. He is bringing the Apple brand down.
Steve Jobs was a terrible person
These are all fundamentally very very evil people. None of them have souls. I don’t care that Apple has made accessibility part of their overall framework. They’re not doing it out of the goodness of their heart. They’ve only done it to make money. And Steve Jobs never created anything innovative. He was a great marketer. He was a terrible human being. A worse father. He does not deserve anyone’s adoration. Tim Cook is an evil human being. Bill Gates is a monster. Elon Musk has always been a piece of filth. They don’t deserve any of the accolades that they’ve gotten. The engineers and the developers Might. So please please please consider that we live in a system that is based on exploiting us, not helping.
Scathing
Thanks for the article pointer, Sebby. The author was spot on.
Ash Rein
Well do not know him and do not care to make that type of statement. Will not throw the first stone.
@Ash Rein
I think I love you.
Thank you, that is all.