I have been a member of applevis for a number of years now, and I was wondering if applevis does anny live online training sessions like freedom or annyone else who makes screen readers. I know that they do training lessons on windows and jaws. Does applevis do this too. I'm only asking because from my experiance, a lot of the people who I know use windows, probably because most of the jobs where I live usually use windows for their internal software. I ask them too if they use mac for their work, but they tell me that they use windows, because their work makes them use that operating system. This an apple community, and It should remain that way. For some reason, I find myself real concerned learning the mac, not so much because I dont like it, because i find that the learning curb is big. I am not sure what to do about it. Sorry for the rant. It's just that the mac takes so long to learn. I've had it for a year and I love it, but I feel like I know only a tenth of everything that's out there. Thanks.
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Just a bunch of guides on Apple this
Just a bunch of guides and things of us to help with that. Doesn’t really any kind of training on here just whatever forms and guides and things like that. I could see why you might want something like that, but I’m not quite sure how you would get it in somebody like trains you or something
That sucks.
It took the other guys thirty years to do what they do. It's going to take apple to catch up. I know they will though. Just give them some time. I wonder if Applevis can make It to where we could call someone by facetime or chat by message whenever someone needs help. I am supprised alot more people dont use the facetime feature as much as they should. If we are going to have a apple website, shouldnt we make It as much apple related as possible. Even alot of people who use iphones dont use facetime alot. Just curious. Sorry for the rants and posts on here, but I feel I should have been on this years ago. It saddens me.
tutorials/guides should be plenty, look for videos for more help
I've been a exclusive mac user for 15ish years now. Sure their is a learning curve, but really it's not that big once you figure out how everything works. Keep in mind, the word is corporate. Corporate companies do provide training for their software, VFO group definitely has for a long time, even before freedom scientific days, but applevis remember is a volunteer group. We're just a bunch of apple people wanting to help other apple people who are new to apple products learn to use them and be productive/etc. Windows as you know is corporate, so is apple, but they do things differently. The training aspect is basically, we'll provide you the tutorials that are inbuilt to the screen reader, voiceover, and it's your job to learn how to use it. Remember, too that we always learn new things every day. I was so used to doing something one way, and I figured out howt o move, not copy, move, files from one place to another from a youtube video that was i don't know, a few years old? anyway, theres a lot of good resources for you to look at, forums, youtube videos, etc for how to learn macos with Voiceover. There's a smorgous board of documentation inbuilt to voiceover that I'd urge you to look at if you haven't, the user manual for one. I went in cold, and am still learning some stuff I didn't know with Voiceover, 15 years on. The main reason I switched and didn't look back with windows was I saw the dirrection it was headed with Vista way back in the day and wanted nothing to do with it. HTH and have a fun trip with the mac. There's a lot of info, if you know where to look.
training is not always needed
also, wanted to make it clear, I get where you are coming from, but there's plenty to get you started with the mac, etc. Remember, that people have lives/jobs/etc and training, one on one, takes a lot of time, which not everyone has. just my thoughts on Voiceover training. Theres a lot of videos that people have done to help with Voiceover if you know what you want. Also, just ask questions. We're always here to help people, that's what this site is here for.
Podcasts
Podcasts have been invaluable to me. That's actually how I learned Mac 16 years ago. I heard a podcast of someone using it with VoiceOver, decided I want one, and off I went. I'm doing the same thing right now with the iPad as a matter of fact.
There's a course called More with the Mac that you can find on any podcasts app, that may help you.
If you are able to learn by listening to people teach you, I'd definitely give that a shot.
I actually find VoiceOver more intuitive
I find VoiceOver on macOS to be more intuitive than anything on Windows, and that is because, unlike Windows screen-readers, VoiceOver takes almost complete control over input, which means that you get to use the same controls everywhere with some notable exceptions, like Slack, that try to reinvent the wheel and do it worse. VoiceOver was the first screen-reader that I used seriously, and all it took to get me started was the initial tutorial that is presented the first time VoiceOver is activated on a Mac.
Unfortunately accessibility on macOS is also very quirky, something that, as a developer, I wouldn't mind help changing, but that would require applying to work at Apple and emigrating if I did get the job. Even if I felt like leaving everything behind and starting over in a different country, which I don't, I'd still need to make sure that I'm comfortable fixing Apple code, which that recent setback with WebKit requiring lots more RAM than my current MacBook Air has left me uneasy about (I still intend to go back to it once I get my Mac Studio back though). In any case the quirks are something that just needs getting used to, as they aren't real show stoppers.
My iPhone story
The only training I’ve ever had on any iPhones at all was literally this website calling Apple, Accessibility and YouTube and that’s it and I was able to learn a lot. So it can be done. I didn’t have access to any kind of one-on-one iPhone trainer. I got my iPhone right when Covid happened so I really had to do it that way. I totally understand when somebody to train you one-on-one I really do. I’ve kind of wished for the same thing, but the really isn’t any way to do that you’re my state or anything in area so I had to do it that way. Good luck, beginner in the mat and enjoy it. Good luck with your journey learning Mac and I hope you enjoy it.