I've not been able to test this completely on my mac, but on windows with jaws 2023, and the latest versions of narrator, nvda and google chrome browser, at some point within a text in the message field of applevis forums the text with arrow keys, ctrl arrow keys and even when reading with nvda review cursor the text is weirdly concatanated with fragments of previous words appended to the fragments of next words in an inconsistent but very irritating way as far productivity and comfort of writing is concerned.
Edit: the request for asking applevis dedicated thread has been removed (jul 7th 2024).
By TheBllindGuy07, 2 July, 2024
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Yep, I've got this too.
Applevis devs, come on, we need an applevis bugs/suggestions forum. This is just getting silly, even if it's rarely used; at least it will be there.
To those reading, the applevis devs have actually told me off for suggesting this before, I don't understand why, it makes no sense at all.
Personally I think they think that if they add a forum like that; Apple will see it and want applevis shut down at once, apart from that, I really can't see a reason as to why you can't just add another forum topic, surely it isn't that hard.
You could take it one step further.
You could make a form where you'd fill out all the info and everyone can comment on it, it's a win win for all of us, we are validaded because the bug exists and you would have proof on your side too.
This really does need to be a thing Devs and honestly at this moment; I don't even care if you ban me, this is silly and makes no sense, humans make mistakes/would like changes, your website is not perfect and your old way of doing this, contacting you, is just that' old,, there are better ways these days, use them.
I don't understand at all…
I don't understand at all this statement.
"Personally I think they think that if they add a forum like that; Apple will see it and want applevis shut down at once, apart from that, I really can't see a reason as to why you can't just add another forum topic, surely it isn't that hard."
Especially that now they are expended outside apple already. I am 99% sure that it's wordpress, which is not a critique at all. But the interface feels 2010s. Ironically this site is nicer and easier to navigate with nvda than voiceover, personal opinion of course. and jaws is similar to vo for many things in web... Like now on windows I sistematically open notepad to write threads.
Trust the AppleVis Team
Brad, I think it’s time to move on. The AppleVis development team, along with their volunteers, have made it clear that they won’t be creating a new forum for bug reports or site feedback. This approach is quite common and I respect their decision. It’s important to trust in their process; they’ve consistently shown dedication to improving the site. Remember, these individuals generously donate their time and do a remarkable job. There’s no need to question their commitment. Let’s honor their request to direct any issues through the channels they’ve provided. A big shout-out to the AppleVis team for their hard work—keep it up! Regarding the bug you mentioned, it could be related to a combination of Windows and a screen reader, or perhaps it’s an issue with Google’s Chromium platform, though I’m not certain.
Is this the issue...
Is this the issue where some words seem to be hyphenated, or otherwise splitting into 2 separate words, during editing? If so, I am also experiencing it on the latest Firefox browser, which I do not believe is Chromium.
Just my 2 cents. 😇
Coffee just shot out of my nose
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edited post.
Alright fine, i'm done with this, I don't care anymore, I won't be contacting the team about any bugs though. Childish, yep, but I'm done caring.
Also, I wasn't attacking the team, I do like the site and i know they do a great job.
@Brian
Yes exactly. And no firefox is not chromium based it's quentum. And jsut as I was making sure of my answer for this post I discovered that webkit is also used in gnome web. Who knew that? Certainly not me. Like it's either gekko or quantum qhich is mostly the same thing but one is like the js and another might be html/css parser.... Which I know for a fact that it is at least 50% wrong. Other devs are free to comment of course. You can read the wikipedia page about this.
issue is fixed as of the latest update from jaws
Jaws released an update yesterday July second it fixed the issue.
Possibly...
Possibly CSS is to blame. If nothing else, CSS could be tweaked to patch the site, so to speak. 🙂
@Brian
That's what I think too, css.
Similar problem on Mac
Using Safari on the Mac and VoiceOver, if I am typing a comment with any remotely long words, VoiceOver will often tell me that they are misspelt and will split the words in two. But if I use option+left/right the words are actually fine. It's pretty annoying. It feels to me like there is some sort of hyphenation thing specified in the CSS.
Might not be the same bug but feels similar.
I also think a forum for discussing the site would be a good idea. But I'm sure they have their reasons for not creating one. It doesn't feel right to be overly critical considering that we get all this plus their time for free (unless we choose to donate).
I still have the issue
I've got the newest jaws; using microsoft edge on Windows 10, and the navigation/editing of posts on here is as messed up as it's been for however long this has been going on. I've tried JAWS and NVDA; didn't try Narrator, but since someone else has indicated that the issue happens with Narrator as well, I trust their judgement. It's weird that this issue seems to be unique to Applevis. On the other hand, I don't do a lot of trying to write long posts on other web sites, so maybe this does happen elsewhere? I remember someone on another thread here mentioned that they write out everything they want to say in notepad or something so that they can edit before posting. This seems like a reasonable sollution, at least in the short term. The trick is remembering to do it. *smile* Anyway, just wanted to jump in here and say that at least for me, the JAWS update on Wednesday hasn't changed anything. I wonder if there are some settings I should try adjusting, but wouldn't know which ones to try, and if this is happening with other screen readers and web browsers, then messing with my jaws settings probably wouldn't make any difference.
Yeah @mr grieves something…
Yeah @mr grieves something about word wrap in css and width/length of the edit field and how it's displaied probably?
@Missy Hoppe for both of your question it was me I think and yes it happens with narrator as well and yes I write in notepad.
Definitely something about…
Definitely something about word wrap or hyphenation. Each new line the problem starts after x normal words limit is reached.
Quick Update on Website Issue
Just a quick note to say that I haven't been ignoring this thread. I'm currently not available to investigate the potential website issue mentioned here. I'll look into it as soon as I'm able to do so. Thanks for your patience and understanding.
Was it a recent change?
I have typed lot of long posts on Applevis so far, and I don't recall facing this issue before. It seems to have started in last few weeks or days.
Could be that chrome or NVDA updated, and changed how edit fields are handled. I haven't really tried any other edit-box, typing out a long post there.
Re: David Goodwin
Many thanks to you for this. Apologies if I sound rude in my original post here as well :)
Re: Update
I would say that, yes, I think a fairly recent update is what started this issue. As I have mentioned, I am on Windows 11 with Firefox, and I too experience this.
It seems to matter not, which browser or screen reader is being used to view the website, which leads back to my previous post that it is perhaps something in the backend code, i.e. CSS, etc.
Hopefully the editorial team can figure it out. 🙂
Same problem with Edge and…
Same problem with Edge and NVDA. Seems to also have started recently.