In this episode of the AppleVis Extra podcast, David Nason is joined by Quinton Williams, the developer of VAL: Voice, Alarm & Chimes. Quintin shares the story behind creating the app, how a personal interest in accessible talking clocks inspired the project, and how an idea that began as a simple experiment quickly evolved into a feature-rich app for iPhone and Mac.
The conversation explores Quintin's unconventional path into software development. Rather than following a traditional programming background, Quinton discusses how he is using modern AI tools alongside Swift development to learn by building real-world projects. He talks candidly about the benefits and challenges of AI-assisted development, emphasizing the importance of understanding the code rather than relying on AI-generated solutions without learning from them.
Listeners will also hear about the design philosophy behind VAL, including its extensive customization options, support for Apple's new AlarmKit framework, compatibility with Steve's Talking Clock, and plans for an online library where users will be able to share custom clocks and sound packs. Quintin also discusses the realities of independent app development, including beta testing, accessibility, App Store approval, automation tools like Fastlane, and balancing development across multiple Apple platforms.
Whether you're interested in accessibility, app development, or simply enjoy hearing how members of the AppleVis community are creating innovative software, this episode offers an engaging look behind the scenes of an ambitious accessibility-focused project. Be sure to listen to the full conversation to hear Quintin's experiences, future plans for VAL, and his insights into building apps with today's development tools.
Resources & Links
- AppleVis – Announcing AnonyMouse's App Pick of the Month for May 2026: VAL: Voice, Alarm & Chimes https://applevis.com/blog/announcing-anonymouses-app-pick-month-may-2026-val-voice-alarm-chimes
- Download VAL: Voice, Alarm & Chimes on the App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/val-voice-alarm-chimes/id6760596283
- Join the Conversation: Preorders for my clock app are live!
For the latest updates, beta testing opportunities, and community discussion about VAL, be sure to visit the AppleVis pages linked above.
Thanks for listening to the AppleVis Extra podcast.
Transcript
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David: Hi there, and welcome to the AppleViz Extra podcast. My name is Dave Nason. I'm delighted to be with you again with another episode in our mini-series talking to blind and low vision developers. We thought it would be really cool to put a bit of focus on people from within our community who are coding and creating great apps for us and sharing them with us. So on this episode, I am delighted to be joined by Quintin Williams, who is the developer of the VAL Voice Alarms and Chimes app. It was Thomas Domville, Anonymous's pick of the month earlier this year. So really cool app. It's got a lot of interest. And yeah, it's really great to have a chance to talk to Quentin about his background and his process of bringing this app to us. So without further ado, let's jump in and chat to Quentin. Quentin, how are you? Thanks for joining me.
Quintin: Thank you so much. I'm great. How are you?
David: I am good. The sun is shining here in Ireland for the last two weeks, which is extremely rare. So yeah, you you recently released a new app which has proved quite, popular on on AppleVase.com. Thomas Donville selected as his app of the month which is pretty cool. so yeah, I wondered before we get into the details of it, do you want to tell us a little bit about your background and how and when you learned to learned how to even create an app.
Quintin: So honestly, it's kind of a weird story. So I pretty much I'm actually learning to code right now. I actually don't really know how yet. So I've been kind of learning backwards because you know I know there's a lot of s stigma behind AI tools, and so I've been kind of doing it in reverse where I build something and then figure out why it works the way it does and how it works and 'cause I did it in college. I did Python. But I just I don't know, it's just something about it. I just I like there were things that I understood really well and then there were things I just got stuck on and when I got stuck, it's like I had to worry about everybody else and getting behind. It's and then there were so many hours where I'd spent like in office hours and tutoring and I just didn't feel like I was getting very far. And then it was just like I felt like every time I would ask questions, it just I don't know, I was always felt like someone getting frustrated with me or I'd spend hours and it's like I didn't get anywhere, so it's like now I can ask all the questions I want and need and no and no one's gonna get frustrated with me. So like it really and it's like I have an idea. I know how things should work and I know how something is supposed to work and look. So like I will I know it was kinda more just like can I can I just make this work for myself? I'm just curious, like just to mess around. Then ended up take like I even I'm actually gonna try this and really see what happens. And then I just like before I knew it, I was already using like Xcode and test flight. I was just like oh you know what? I think this actually might have a potential, so and I've always had a a passion for clocks as a kid and so I was like I wanna make and I always love Steve's clock, so I was like I'm gonna make something that will kind of bridge both gaps for other people because I know people have wanted it forever, so so that's pretty much how I want for me.
David: That's really cool because to to self-teach,, it isn't easy, but it's something that's is more and more available to us and like you said that some peop with some people there it can be a bit of stigma about vibe coding or whatever you want to call it. But if it's you're not just throwing it into AI and seeing what happens,
Quintin: you're going back and looking at it and learning. And like I know for me, and we all know, right, especially in this community, we see all these AI things coming out and promising to be the next best thing, and it's just garbage. And it's just like I don't want to do that, and I want to really I and I know there's I don't I want to be honest, but at the same time it's like it's like you have to kinda be careful because you'll say you'll tell them that you use AI and people just immediately go after you and I don't think that's really constructive either. It's like it's it's use it as a tool. It's it's a tool. That's literally what it is, so Yeah,
David: there has to be medium there, doesn't there?
Quintin: Yeah. And it's and it's pretty much like I guess in in case of me, I can literally just ask any questions I have. And if I don't understand something, it'll it'll go with me until I get it, even if it takes three days. So it's it's so liberating. It's like I have access to everything I could have ever wanted to learn versus a book that if I don't ri if I don't understand a certain passage I can't rewrite it since I don't understand. I can just ask it.
David: Yeah, absolutely. And is it written in Swift or what what language is it being written in?
Quintin: Yeah, it's in it's Swift. Okay.
David: And do you feel you're learning the language like you're you've you've as well as you go?
Quintin: Yeah, I've actually so I've kind of been doing idea like Python and Swift like in parallel. 'Cause like once I know like once you learn a language, a lot of the same concepts carry over. There's obviously differences, but it's just a way that it's like if you can learn one, then a lot of those concepts just carry over. So I'd be kind of doing them in parallel.
David: Very good, yeah, because my my grand sum of knowledge on coding that I ever did was a little bit of HTML and CSS at a basic kind of level and I never got past that but I'm really curious kind of seeing what people like you are doing. Yeah, yeah. HTML I still remember a little bit, and I still get the concepts of how it works. But yeah, so I'm really curious and really interested when I see people like yourself who are kind of using these new tools to learn as well as to build stuff, you know?
Quintin: Yeah, I mean it's it's honestly just I'm like I was this possible and if it'll give me something and or like I have an idea, like what's the best way to do this? And if there's a bug, I've kind of been doing this thing now where like I'll use get basically it lets allows you to track your changes and revert and all that you know that fun stuff. So basically I'll sometimes I will fix something and then 'cause I do like these lesson things every day in the week with it. And it's like I want to go back to where there was a bug and figure out why it was happening and what caused it and then we can do like and then also look at the code and stuff. Because there are times when it's you know I use I will have I have no shame in using it for like things that are just repetitive and like booking stuff. Like 'cause I have a whole I have a whole I built this whole like agent setup that I can use like I can control it through iMessage and WhatsApp and stuff. So I'm I just want you to book me my rides for the week 'cause I don't really feel like it. It's okay, I got you. And it just goes and does it. So it's pretty it's pretty insane. And does Ubers and everything.
David: That's good. And for the for writing code side of things, do you have a particular set of tools that you that you've landed on as your favorites?
Quintin: I mean cloud def cloud code is definitely like one of my favorites. Like I think it's really good at explaining things. It doesn't it doesn't at least in my experience it's really good about not just telling you what you want to hear. So like if if something is generally horrible it'll tell you in a nice way of course, but it'll tell you it's just no, this is not a good idea. Um that's
David: cool. And do you want to tell us a little bit about the app?
Quintin: So basically it's a it's called Val. So I kinda came up with this because like why do I call this, right? Because I'd actually written to Steve Clower from Steve's Clock about this before it even became anything 'cause they wanted his permission to use to be able to make things compatible. Mm- I was like do I call this Steve's Clock for iPhone? Like no because it's mine and plus I'm I'm planning to add a lot more onto it than I just want to have the scaffolding so things will be backwards compatible. And so basically it's a talking slash chiming clock app for the iPhone and Mac and I am planning to make it available in other platforms as well. And everything from Steve's clock works and I have some of my own methods in. So it'll be here, it's able to like speak the time in a certain way or play different sounds and like do you name the files a certain way and there's a whole reference in it, a friend of mine and I redid actually just recently. so it's really it's meant to be a customizable talking clock app and it has an alarm clock as well which is with it has Apple's native alarm kit which is new in twenty six so basically they act just like normal system alarms but you set them up in the app and you can close them or whatever with the Apple Watch. So it's basically just it's it's just meant to be a really customizable auto like audio clock app, more or less.
David: So it's kind of what are these where Apple have have opened it up almost so you can set your app as your default alarm rather than their one.
Quintin: Sadly you can't do that in the clock app. they don't really let you do that, but they do let you set alarms. So it's basically how it works. You set it in the app but it and it's gets scheduled with Apple's alarm kit so then it'll come in as a normal like it'll it'll get through focus and all that.
David: And does it have an Apple Watch app as well or is this iPhone at the moment?
Quintin: You if it's an Apple Watch, you can dismiss the alarm, but the app itself is on the iPhone and that's only it's not on the Apple Watch mainly because Apple doesn't really allow you to do much with that. So I just didn't until they open it up, I'm probably not gonna do it only because it's just I would love to have it.
David: Yeah.
Quintin: , but they don't really give you a lot of flexibility.
David: It's it's true though, I've seen over the years plenty of conversations on Apple Viz about Chime people asking, is there any good chime apps or is there any good I mean
Quintin: I knew it was like I knew I wanted one. I was like I'm just tired of it. Like these the ones that we have don't sound good. The ones that sounded reasonably good are gone. So I was I think it's time to make something. and I love it. I can just make I just made one of the other day. I just took these announcements from a train system in Australia and made a clock out of it.
David: So that's very cool.
Quintin: Um No, go ahead. I was just gonna say and it's like I had friends who made birds and like 'cause the WhatsApp community's really taken off. So like I had a friend of mine who reconnected with me after like ten years over it and we've been making stuff like he made like bird clocks that follow the Westminster rhythm, but it's still the bird. It's just really really interesting what people are coming up with already. And this is before we even have the library stuff, which will be coming not too long.
David: Well sad, is that going to allow people to share their sounds with in the community, is it?
Quintin: Yep. Basically you'll be able to upload, download, categorize like it'll be categories and also be able to follow people and like it'll have an algorithm so like you can like upvote and stuff like that. So it's gonna be a whole like it's gonna be its own thing entirely, but I really want to have it be easy for people to share.
David: Who knew a clock could have such a such a a wide kind of interest, not even interest, but to be able to have almost a community aspect to it. It's it's very cool.
Quintin: Yeah, it's I mean honestly, it's just I mean clearly I know there's an audience for it. I was I wonder who and then I posted about it on Mastodon, it was just all over. And people were and I posted demos and it just kind of like people wanted to know when it was coming. It was okay, yeah, there's clearly an audience for this.
David: Nope.
Quintin: Okay, I just want to make sure I didn't miss it. But yeah, no, it's it's really impressive and I know like I'm sure I'm I'm sure you're aware of Chimekeeper as well. And so I was let's make something that works for the iPhone that's also backwards compatible with that. So it all works. It's it's so nice to have something for both Mac and the iPhone because the Mac has really been the most neglected. So there really wasn't anything available.
David: Yeah. And it's funny you you know you obviously this is a case of you built an app first for yourself in a sense, that was something you wanted. and it that's a real theme I see when speaking to developers that when they come out with apps it's well I wanted this, and then I thought oh maybe other people would like it too.
Quintin: Well 'cause I was like I'm like I just sat down with that. I'm I wanna write out a plan. This was back in March, by the way. I was I wanna write a plan for something. Because the first way, the first thing that really got me, I was I'm gonna try to revive this old game that I used to play on iOS back in like early like 2010s. and I was and it actually worked. And I got it working. I was okay, you know what? Then I have this clock app that I've wanted to do for years and talked about and I was I'm just like let's just make a symbol app that you just play a sound and it can also announce the time on an interval. It worked and I showed somebody and I was o,kay we're gonna just add on to that. It was all bit by bit, and that's how you really should do all of this. But before I knew it, I had something that was working and I was using it as my default alarm. I was okay, like I'm sure someone else would enjoy this. So I was gonna say you you started in March you and it's already been out a couple of months,
David: so yeah, it was a quick turnaround.
Quintin: I mean yeah. We gonna we need a Mac app. So luckily because Apple is generous if you follow the rules,, you can use the same code base. So I was like static when I was able to get Mac OS working. So good and how did you how
David: have you found the whole app approval process and App Store and App Store Connect, all of that side of things.
Quintin: I mean App Store Connect the the web is kind of a mess, if I'm being honest. Like it is just not great. I've managed to figure it out, more or less, but like now I just use fast lane and it's just command line and it's much faster and I can just go to multiple groups at once or sub do one command that just goes to upload, submit, and it's just all done with release notes. But as for approval, so the first when I first did it it was a little tricky. 'cause I was still learning about like entitlements, basically like the things you have to request f from the device or from the app the app has to request to use. And so when I was doing it, because I have it, there's a feature where you can use your location for like for sunrise and sunset and stuff. And I accidentally had it basically requesting the level that like a GPS app would use all the time. So and so I was like I was so worried because I first uploaded it. It's in review and I saw it got rejected and then realized that, you can still do location based schedules and all that stuff without having that level just use significant location changes and like that that let alone is a learning experience because like I didn't know the difference at the time. So that's kind of why you learn as you go and I feel like it's like and then there's another time where it happened again because I didn't realize the guideline where you had to you put a location prompt up and when you go next you have to you're supposed to let Apple's prompt be the one you deny not your own because then it gets stuck because you could deny and then never be given the chance to request it again. But if Apple does it you can go reapprove it again if it asks. So like other than that though, it's actually been pretty good. I mean I pretty much everything gets there now. Now that I've and I've you know had to read out in the hum the human interface guidelines, what they call them. so there's things you just don't think about until until you do it. But it's it's been really, really fun and I feel like it's like given me a sense like what is for years I was what am I gonna do? What am I what w do I want to do? And ever since I've got into this I've just been so fascinated and so this is like the one project I've started majorly working on, but I have other stuff that I'm kinda doing in the background. So we'll talk
David: about that in a moment. So yeah, I'm always really curious actually when talking to particularly blind or vision impaired or low vision developers, how you find the user interface aspect and designing you know the visual interface, were you using U AI to help with that or do you have other people look at it or do you I have friends like
Quintin: we who have some vision that helps because I'm totally blind, so I can't really test how something looks. so I'll usually ask, would you mind turning voiceover off? Like I had a friend, like I was Can you turn off voiceover? and I want to make sure it worked without it before I did anything because obviously counterintuitively enough, I could have a backwards accessible app when I worked with voiceover, but doesn't for sighted users. So I do that and I definitely use AI for the screenshot part just because I literally can't do it. but luckily the the fast lane allows you to automate and script navigating to parts of the app so I can basically write like a the part of the app I want to go to and take the screenshot and it just does it all. It just runs it automatically. If if like if I'm doing a bigger update like this last one I did get new screenshots I was like I want to get screenshots of the favorites tab and the new clock tab and so basic and I was just able to automate the whole thing and they were always they're always the right size 'cause they were j Apple the Appster Connect will reject it if it's not. So and it got through. So I was I was pretty happy and I always make sure like you know describe the image to me, send it to me and because I just don't really have a way of verifying it. So I do whatever I can to make sure it still works and I'm obviously learning about the interface stuff and like views and but I can only you know I still have to have and I still like to ask for some feedbacks for site from sighted people since I can only to the code part I can't actually see it.
David: Yeah, that makes absolute sense. what what is FastLane? You've mentioned it a couple of times.
Quintin: It's basically it's just a command line tool that you can use to some to submit updates without having to use any kind of web interface. is and it works across multiple platforms, but especially use App Store Connect API and you can just you set up lanes with they're called lanes and they're basically they give an iOS lane, a Mac OS lane, or you have a f like like a full lane for lack of a better name and it can bind both of them and it can have their own release notes but you can upload them both at once basically. And you can tell it like submit for review, just up just upload it, send it to test flight. And you c it allows you to do everything that the like AppStore Connect can do, but without having to deal with the web interface.
David: Oh very good. And is this an Apple tool or is it a third party plugin kind of?
Quintin: It's it's just a it's a command tool. Like it's it's basically and it's for Android as well.
David: Yeah, yeah, so it's not something Apple are providing.
Quintin: It's yeah. No. It's not just it's not just Apple.
David: Yeah, yeah. No, I'd say there might be people interesting who may not be aware of it because I know some people have found App Store Connect quite tricky.
Quintin: So Yeah, I mean there was a period where it was completely un like unusable earlier this year. So it was just like I heard about this and once I figured out how to use it properly, it was it's wonderful. I can just write all the release notes down, put them in one command, just send it and like an App Store Connect notifies you as like it's when the app when the process when the processing is done, when it's submitted, when it's waiting for review, like you get all that. But it's just like I can do it all at once. I don't have to go to the App Store Connect page, add a new version, type the stuff, add the build, I can just do it all in one command. So very cool. It's much easier that way.
David: Yeah, very good. you hinted that you might be working on a few other thing projects or you might have some ideas. What are what are you thinking?
Quintin: So I'm kind of in I mentioned that agent thing that I've been doing. That's probably my biggest one because I just like I'm so fascinated. So I like I use it for a lot. I like I sometimes if I don't want to call like I even made it so I can it can call on my behalf and book things and like I can text it to steer it and text me at like it text me as things are as it's talking to someone, it'll text me. So if like if it needs my per my confirmation, I can just reply and it just sends it to them and speaks it. so like it just makes certain things a lot easier so I don't have to wait on hold forever. and I like it for especially for inaccessible websites because it can use Chrome. So if I can't click on something or like there's mail gun is a prime example of this. Like I was I was using that for my automated emails but I just switched from it. But when you close the account you have those you know those fun menus where it's like give us a reason image so I'm like okay can you just I already typed the reason can you just close it real okay and then I just I got the email like within like a minute telling me it was done. It was just and it's just it's really nice to be able to do this stuff without always having to call up Ira and like especially when they have like priority re provisions where you can't always get in. It's just like I it's just an IMSG away and I can just ask it. Like So that's pretty that's the biggest thing. I'm also I thought about maybe doing like a flashcards app, potentially like a studying app, because I have not found anything that really works the way I'd like it to yet. so I've been that's kind of something I've considered doing. And I also have worked on the T T accessible app I'm sure we've all heard about as well. for the Mac.
David: Oh yeah.
Quintin: So I've been kinda helping out with that a bit. And just honestly, I've kind of been all over the place. I mean Val right now is my main project, but I kind of been dabbling at other things just so I can understand and how things work but also like wha how far I can really take all this and it's been w like incredible. I've it's been a month and I've already been able to do all sorts of stuff like and I've learned so much that I don't think I really could have because it's already right here. The app's here, the servers are here, but now I can learn backwards. Like I s I use it, but why does it work the way? Why does this not work right and how do we fix it? Instead of just being given a hypothetical that I'll probably never use I have actual stuff that I use and if something breaks it's I have to obviously fix it and figure out why it's broken so it's like I kinda have to learn and it you kinda can't help but learn when you're exposing yourself to it. It just kinda you just kinda pick it up.
David: Yeah, and especially if you're trying to create something that has to be of a quality to get into the case.
Quintin: But yeah, I'm very much a stickler any. Anyone who's had beta tests for them knows this. I'm very, very nitpicky, but I just I'm I guess you know we've all dealt with it where we have apps that like sometimes they half work, sometimes they f they are great, or other times like there's just one thing it just doesn't work, and it's I'm determined to be to be different than that. This this whole thing is going to work properly. It's gonna be intuitive and like I'm gonna be I wanna make myself available for people who need to ask questions. 'cause you know I get it. It's and it's also why I just I wanna make this I wanna be the exception rather than the rule. And that's why I'm it's very I'm very lucky 'cause everyone who's been beta testing with me has been wonderful and reporting things to me and talking to me and suggesting it's just it's been really, really nice. And it's been a lot of fun and just things I never even thought of. So that's just how it's just how it goes. It's never gonna be like it could be a year and someone finds something that's been there for the whole time.
David: Yeah. Is there anything that you know because obviously they'll find issues but they'll also give you ideas sometimes. Is there anything in the app that either is already there or will be there in the future that's going to well actually yeah,
Quintin: so what's coming, I don't it's not here yet because I just I realized I was good I already had a lot of stuff in this last release, so I was just gonna update it now and then have be part of the next big one which will have the library. I'm gonna have it so you'll be able to do location based scheduling and not just sunrise and sunset. So if you want to have it change if you go somewhere like work or if you want to be quiet when you go, and also it'll be able you'll be able to have contacts support, so you can parse your addresses. It'll be able to parse the addresses out. And obviously it'll check for multiple, so you don't have so if you have multiple, you don't just get one but you can basically s add your add people's addresses to the app and then you can set it like when I go to my mom's house use the clock that we gr use this use the time that from the clock we had at home while I'm there and then when I leave use this other one. and then like I'm also working on a control center announcement toggle because I know that was requested early on in Applevis and I think it's a wonderful idea. And actually Levi has been testing with me as well.
David: Oh big.
Quintin: So I'm really there's a lot of stuff and I'm sure there's more that will actually come up, but those are like the biggest right now probably. And also I'd like to get Windows and Android going once all this library stuff is stable and working. So Yeah. I just have to I really want to make sure everything is the scaffolding is there, so then all I really have to do is just build off of it. So that's pretty much and of course there'll be accounts and I'm gonna have like syncing. So if you wanna if you are optionally can have it sync all your stuff regardless of platform and not just iCloud but if you have certain clocks that you want or you want your settings to transfer share, you'll be able to do that as well. So you don't have to keep importing, importing, importing. It'll just work. So it sounds like you
David: yourself are mostly on Apple, but you wanna bring these things to Windows and Android. Do you do you have those devices
Quintin: or do you have I don't yet and that's part of why I haven't done it yet. Actually I have PCs, yes, but I don't have an Android device and I feel like Android would probably actually I don't know. I guess they both would be really awesome to do, but I definitely like I need I'm just I just don't like using Windows unless I have to, but I do think this would be I think a lot of people would enjoy this and I would love to get it out to people 'cause now we're getting to the point now where like it's not fully backwards compatible now with Steve's clock. That was just kind of like a foundation So I just I'd like to have a consistent c experience across everything, basically. No matter what platform you're on, it'll just be there and work.
David: So very cool. the pricing, is it going off or is it li is there a lifetime is a subscription?
Quintin: So right now it's available for six ninety nine US. but I'm going when the library stuff is available, I'm going to have an optional subscription for it. But I'm gonna I'm going to I'm not gonna every other everything right now is gonna work as it does. So if you don't want to do that you don't have to. Everything will work as it is right now. But it'll be I'm still kind of working out the prices for that, but I'll have annual and monthly options. so then people don't have to every I'm just as tired of subscription fatigue as anybody, but it also does cost to host. Yeah. So I but I'm I wanna be reasonable and give people a lot. Like I'm gonna give people what they pay for, so like that's why I'm gonna have all those email alerts and this all this other stuff hooked up so then people feel like they they're getting and you'll also be able to preview like what all these different things will sound like and see the library. You just won't be able to really use it until you have it. But it'll you'll still be able to see everything. and there's gonna be like a whole process, it's gonna be like you submit it and then I and a few others will see them and we can approve them or like ask for clarification. It's gonna be very I'm really doing what I can so that we don't get any cease and desist or anything. So I just I want to do this properly, so but Yeah,
David: it sounds sounds like it. And yeah, I'd say the whole for indie developers one of the m trickiest parts is the pricing and marketing and all that kind of side of us.
Quintin: Yeah, because Apple takes their they're pretty penny.
David: Yeah, true.
Quintin: So that's a bigger and that's also why I'm gonna offer both app and web options and the web will be cheaper and thanks to this ruling we can now display that in the app. Yeah. So I'm gonna incentivize people to do it through the web because, it'll be cheaper and it means I don't have to wait for Apple to take forever.
David: Yeah.
Quintin: So but either way it'll be it'll be both options because I know not everyone wants to do all that, so Yeah. well that's
David: yeah that's brilliant. I mean like you say you only began the project in March and you're already here with a a pretty fully fledged app with more great stuff coming. So yeah, well done on all of that and thank you.
Quintin: It's been it's really been so fun and it's just like wow, like I don't have to worry about emailing someone else and hope that they'll do it. I can now.
David: Yeah, exactly. And if people want to get in touch with you with feedback or are interested in being on beta testing, anything like that, is there somewhere they should go So I
Quintin: recommend and this this is gonna be easier very soon because I'm just I just send an update out. So soon or a test flight which I'm just letting go through a cycle before it goes to the app store. there's gonna be a button directly inside the app to join the WhatsApp group or the community. And then in there you'll have there's a test flight beta group which and then there's a link inside of that. And obviously I'll provide it again. And there's also a bug reporting tool inside the app which you know you can report anything and it gets sent to me and I can look at it and so that's made things already that's already made a significant difference. If you'd like to reach out to me via email you can reach you can send that to support at val V A L dash clock dot app if you have any questions if you're not interested in WhatsApp or whatever the case may be so I really try to make myself available. if And you s use the bug reporting tool, there's an optional field where you can have your email be shared with me and then I'll also be able to reply f for any clarifying questions.
David: That's great. Thank you, Quintin, again for joining me. really enjoyed the chat and thank you me to you
Quintin: thank you so much for giving the
David: opportunity I appreciate it great stuff wish you best of luck with the with the rest of us with the future of the app thank you bye bye and thank you everybody for listening.