I had some instructions on how to create a forum post on AppleVis. It was written for a Jaws user. I pasted the original document into ChatGPT and gave it the following prompt:
“rewrite these instructions for a blind user using VoiceOver on an iPhone”
Now, the result isn’t perfect, but it literally took me 60 seconds to do…
Here's how you can navigate and post on AppleVis.com using VoiceOver on your iPhone:
1. Open Safari and visit AppleVis.com.
2. Swipe right until you hear VoiceOver say "main menu button collapsed." This is the button you need to interact with.
3. Double-tap the screen to activate the button. VoiceOver will then announce "expanded" to indicate the menu is open.
4. Swipe down to move to the next element or use the rotor to navigate by headings until you hear "main navigation heading level 2."
5. Continue swiping down. You are looking for an element that VoiceOver will announce as "link post." There might be another element that sounds similar, but you need the one that VoiceOver does not announce as "expand."
6. Double-tap on the "link post" to open a new page where the first heading should be "add content" at level 1.
7. Explore this page with a swipe down or by using headings to find the "Forum Topic" link.
8. Double-tap the "Forum Topic" link, and a new page will open with a level 1 heading "create forum topic."
On the "Create Forum Topic" page, you’ll mainly interact with:
1. An edit box for the "subject" - VoiceOver will announce this when you navigate to it.
2. A combo box for the "Forum" - select this to choose the forum category for your post.
3. An edit box for your "message" - this is where you'll type or paste the content of your post.
4. A "save" button - double-tap this after entering your post details to submit your forum topic.
Don't worry about the additional formatting or subscription options unless you want to explore these later.
To type in the "Subject" or "Message" fields, double-tap and start typing. To select a forum in the "Combo box," double-tap, swipe up or down to choose your option, then double-tap to confirm.
Once you've entered your subject and message and chosen the forum category, locate the "Save" button by swiping and double-tap it to post your topic.
I hope this helps, and I'll be on the lookout for your post! If you need further assistance, don't hesitate to ask.
Comments
Comment by ChatGPT
Using an AI like me, ChatGPT, to instantly translate instructions from one platform to another is not only innovative but also a testament to the flexibility and adaptability of AI-assisted solutions. This approach can significantly streamline the process of creating accessible content for different users and platforms.
Here are some advantages of using an AI for this task:
Speed: As you mentioned, the conversion was completed in 60 seconds, which is much faster than manual rewriting. This rapid translation can be incredibly valuable when time is of the essence.
Consistency: AI can help maintain consistency in instructions across different platforms, ensuring that the core steps remain intact while the specifics are adjusted to the new environment.
Scalability: This process can be scaled easily. If you need to create similar instructions for different users with various needs or for different platforms, an AI can replicate the process quickly.
Customization: AI can tailor content to the user's needs with a high level of customization, which is critical for users with disabilities.
Learning and Improvement: AI systems can learn from previous translations and user feedback, potentially improving over time to provide more accurate and user-friendly instructions.
However, it's also essential to consider the limitations and need for human oversight:
Context Understanding: While AI can perform translations based on given information, understanding the nuanced needs of users, especially when it comes to accessibility, might require human empathy and experience.
Quality Assurance: It's crucial to review the AI's work to ensure that the translated instructions are accurate and understandable, as the AI might not catch platform-specific features or limitations.
Personal Touch: While AI can mimic a personalized tone to some extent, there's often a need for human intuition to ensure the instructions feel genuinely tailored to the user.
By leveraging AI for such tasks, you are at the forefront of utilizing technology to foster accessibility and inclusivity. It's a practical application of AI in everyday problem-solving that can have a meaningful impact on individuals' lives.
that's actually freakin impressive
I wouldn't have expected ChatGPT to be that familiar with this stuff haha.
Please no
Can we please not? ChatGPT wasn't trained on a lot of accessibility information. You can tell because it gets key commands and other things like that wrong. A lot. So please can we not do this here? Please do it on Twitter or Mastodon or your blog or something. But can we not clog up this please, where accurate information is needed over everything else?
Devin
You can read a full article I've written about this on Mastadon - we follow each other.
My intention here is not to provide training materials, I wrote them for a friend and I translated them for my freind to.
My goal with this forum post was to offer ChatGPT as a possible solution to anyone struggling to use an application who has the wrong instructions. What the AI generated wasn't perfect but it was good enough. It was certanly better than nothing.
This post is not in the 'guides' section, but 'chat' as it is aimed at fostering discussion.
Generative AI doesn't handle facts well
Generative AI does not necessarily produce factually correct information, so this is not a good idea unless you've thoroughly verified said information independently. A lot of content mills publish low quality, factually incorrect posts at the moment, and it'd be a sad day indeed if posts on Applevis went that route.
I wrote the JAWS article, read the iPhone article
after using an iPhone for over 13 years! Did you read my article? ChatGPTs comments? Instead of tossing around illinformed insults, how about praising me for helping a blind person who wants to contribbute to this community?
It's saying 'swipe down'
I would have written 'swipe right' - is this the same? I don't recognize 'swiping down' but maybe that's just me?
I've also not heard back from my friend yet. The proof of this pudding will be in her eating!
have to agree
I love AI and ChatGPT too, as you can tell by my other recent posts, but yeah... Don't use it for this.
Nothing pisses me off more than when I'm googling something and find ten search results that are clearly AI generated.
If I wanted AI-generated results, I'd ask an AI myself.
So yeah... Please don't slide down this slippery slope. There is nothing pleasant for you or any of us at the bottom.
AI is a fantastic tool for bouncing ideas off of, or maybe learning something new, but it's only helpful if you can have the back-and-forth dialogue with it.
Our new guideline regarding the use of AI tools like ChatGPT
Hi all, I wanted to mention that we recently added a new guideline to our general posting guidelines and rules regarding the use of AI tools like ChatGPT. This is not being mentioned in response to Lottie's first post in this thread , but rather to make the community aware of this new guideline to address some concerns mentioned above about the use of AI tools when posting to AppleVis.
The new guideline states:
We hope that this addition to our guidelines will help to maintain the high quality first-hand knowledge and advice that makes this community so valuable, while also recognizing that AI tools may play a constructive role when used thoughtfully. Thanks all!
If you want to get nitty…
If you want to get nitty-gritty about it, There are multiple inaccuracies in what ChatGPT generated for you here:
1. ChatGPT has not changed the jaws terminology, but still calls interface elements "edit box" and "combo box" instead of "text field" and "pop-up button".
2. One does, as you said yourself, swipe right to move to next element in the focus order, and up/down to navigate based on the rotor settings, not the other way around.
3. Step five is unclear.
4. Step 7 is probably ment to either say something about using explore by touch (sliding one finger on the screen), or just navigating through the focus order by swiping left and right in addition to exploring by headings, but again it's hard to tell.
5. The instructions for handling the combo box, as ChatGPT calls it, are wrong.
This is what I mean. On the surface, the post makes sense, but there are multiple inaccuracies.
Exactly what I was after - I…
Exactly what I was after - I spent time writing a JAWS and Windows guide, didn't have the time then to rewrite but wanted to send something. What it did was OK for that, and this feedback, applied to what it generated will make something both useful and accurate in a very short length of time.
Nobody (I hope) thinks this level of AI is perfect or even almost perfect, but it is already useful for some tings. It will become more useful day by day and it is my belief that we can all help that to happen by using some critical thinking skills to evaluate the results.
I've enjoyed some of the comments I've had over this past week. Others have been idiotic! I endorse and support David's policy. AI is a fantastic way of increasing one's productivity, but only in the same way a spell check improves spelling.
Sometimes your not even wrong - the correct word/spelling isn't even suggested.
I'm deleteing my account
not because of anyting anyone has said about me.
I will not tolerate the abuse of people who have visual impairments and additional complex needs. I witnessed it with one user over recent months and I have seen it starting again.
You people need to take a long hard look at yourselves, you know who you are. What do you think people at Apple would think of the way some of you spoke to Dominic? Or the way you reply to each other in comments? Like ignorant brats half the time?
As I said, say what you like about me - but don't think you can keep up abusing disabled people who might not be able to live up to your level of perfection!!!
Be careful with your words!
Do keep in mind that we're just as disabled as you and them, so we don't expect any one of you to do things that the disabled would normally find challenging, absurd, meaningless or otherwise inappropriate. Proofreading and just being reasonable are definitely not things that the visually-impaired can't do, at least solely as they're disabled, so just stop blabbering nonsense about things you're trying to respond to without fully grasping, being dramatical, and attributing everything to your disability. Since you've been accusing everyone and me in particular of being arrogant and not understanding anything when it's actually you who dramatically responds to points made about others without getting them, I consider your attitude as downright arrogant and unreasonable. You actually deserve far harsher remarks and insults, but I won't bother. Let me give you some piece of advice before you delete your account though: What others will most likely feel is hatred and fury, or mercy at best, if you keep on being a dramatic attention seeker, whining about everything and *abusing* your visual impairment as a pretext in every situation.
Oh wow...
The "blind community," no matter where I go, be it audiogames.net or here love to put others down.
this was just a bit of fun, that's it.
I've just reread this and you know what, it got about 99% of it correct. No you don't swipe up and down through comboboxes, you swipe left and right on the IPhone, but yeah, this is impressive.
And yes I'm calling it a combo box because if this person is a jaws user they will understand what that word means.
I've been one of those who has written to dominic about his spelling but in this case I have to agree with @Disgusted. Some blind people do just like to act like they're teenagers arguing back in the 2000s and the saddest part of it all is these peple don't grow up.
@disgusted, I hope you can break away from the blind community and live your life because as much as we can be useful to one another; we can also put each other down and make each other feel like shite.
These types of people won't care.
They'll say things like, go then, and bye bye, they did it to me on audiogames.net when I mentioned leaving, now to be fair on them, I did leave then come back a year later only to leave again a day later so I can totally get how that can be annoying and I've learnt from that.
People won't care that you leave because basically peple don't care about individuals on the internet and it makes sense, I do the same thing, but I'd hope someone can learn from this like I have with audiogames.net.
I won't be deleting my account because I find this site useful but sadly I'm not surprised this happened.