Doesnāt mean anything unless this thing can actually perform meaningful tasks. And that useful tool is still a good two or three years away. Right now weāre only getting taste of it.
Itās fine, but nothing mind-blowing. Itās definitely faster than the previous models, but I think theyāre going to bring back ChatGPT-4oāor at least the latest version of it. They still have the same awkward punctuation, bullet points, and formatting quirks in the text, so for me thatās a bit of a drawback. Itās snappy, donāt get me wrong, but not necessarily fast enough in my opinion.
The ChatGPT agent, which Iām considering part of the GPT-5 package, is pretty slow right now. If you want to get any real work done, you have to provide the exact items you want included in your project. If you leave it up to the agent to find these elementsāsay music, sound effects, or textāitās just not going to perform as well. I donāt know why they donāt integrate built-in AI tools for music creation, text generation, and sound effects directly into the studio. That would make it much more appealing and give us more control over what we put into a project. Right now, if you ask the agent to do something as simple as putting a photo over an audio track, youāll get better results if you produce the audio yourself first and then give it to the agent to assemble. And of course, your mileage will varyāitās always good to check with someone sighted to make sure the final output is in the correct order. There are also big accessibility limitations. You canāt access certain websites for security reasons, and it canāt complete captchas. If youāre using VoiceOver and try to take over the browser when a captcha pops up, thereās no way to interact with the elements on the pageāat least not on iPhone. That locks you out of certain tasks entirely. Some sites also block themselves from being accessed in ChatGPT, so you wonāt be ordering from Amazon, for example.
These arenāt necessarily failures on ChatGPTās part, but it still means thereās a long way to go. Theyāve also āupgradedā the voices, but personally, I think they should have stuck with the old ones. There was nothing wrong with them, and I actually preferred them. This is still very earlyāit hasnāt even been out for a weekāso hiccups are expected. Thereās more to come in the pipeline, Iām sure. I wouldnāt say Iām impressed, but Iām not disappointed either.
Pretty good. Not having to choose the model is helpful.
regarding the agent, I think this is where apple will get ahead. Without access to things like keychain or local applications, the whole thing is a little sludgy. it is a way off at the moment, though I disagree that it is two or three years.
One thing that is a frustration, and nothing to do with Chat GPT itself, is very long conversations don't play well with voiceover which becomes sluggish. I think its back to voiceover struggling with large context windows as it does in long documents.
I might have a look at the accessibility built into chrome and see if that gives better performance.
Its nice. Wish the Pro Plan for Chatp GPT wasn't so expensive... that's a lot of money a month. I do agree with the person that said not having to choose a model every time is nice.
I couldn't agree more. Some of these models have so many different flavors that you need an AI to figure out which AI model to use! Oh yes, there's an idea...Have the AI model figure out which specialty model to use!!! ššš-
Based on my understanding, most of what you get on the Pro plan seems to be similar to whatās already available on the Plus plan, just with greater detail. I think on the Pro version you can create short videosāaround five secondsābut they donāt have any sound, no audio, not like Google Gemini. It also appears to have higher usage limits for certain features, for whatever thatās worth, such as screen sharing or video sharing, and maybe better analysis or higher reasoning capabilities.
Is anyone here actually on the Pro plan? I also find the upgrade process a bit deceptive. Maybe itās me, but is there a way to sign up for the Pro plan directly? From what Iāve seen, I can only sign up for the Pro plan if Iām already on the Plus plan. That makes no sense to me. Based on how subscriptions work in the App Store, I should be able to subscribe directly to Pro, but I canāt. It feels contradictory. Is it possible to sign up for Pro directly through the website? Because right now, itās like theyāre saying I need to pay $20 for Plus first, and then on top of that spend $200 or whatever Pro costs per month. Thatās absurd. Can someone please explain? If you have 1,000 customers, wouldnāt it make more sense to have one plan with all the features for $20ā$30 so more people can afford it, instead of charging $200 and having maybe only 200 out of the 1,000 customers able to pay? I get that part of the high price is probably to reduce usage of the more power-intensive features so they donāt overload their servers, but stillāwouldnāt a lower cost plan that more people could buy make more sense than a high cost with fewer customers? I donāt quite understand the logic here.
It's £200 here. It is uncapped for most things, but I just didn't know if it had some extra magic sauce.
I'm getting into vibe programming and am super impressed with what I"m doing in XCode, as in, it is impressive, not me, so £200 a month could work if one was a professional. I guess, it's the question if it's 10 times as good, or if it's simply for those who don't want any limitations.
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Means nothing without a user agent
Doesnāt mean anything unless this thing can actually perform meaningful tasks. And that useful tool is still a good two or three years away. Right now weāre only getting taste of it.
Meh
It's kinda meh. They're all meh until we get the live, helpful stuff that was demoed on Be My Eyes 2 years ago.
My current thoughts
Itās fine, but nothing mind-blowing. Itās definitely faster than the previous models, but I think theyāre going to bring back ChatGPT-4oāor at least the latest version of it. They still have the same awkward punctuation, bullet points, and formatting quirks in the text, so for me thatās a bit of a drawback. Itās snappy, donāt get me wrong, but not necessarily fast enough in my opinion.
The ChatGPT agent, which Iām considering part of the GPT-5 package, is pretty slow right now. If you want to get any real work done, you have to provide the exact items you want included in your project. If you leave it up to the agent to find these elementsāsay music, sound effects, or textāitās just not going to perform as well. I donāt know why they donāt integrate built-in AI tools for music creation, text generation, and sound effects directly into the studio. That would make it much more appealing and give us more control over what we put into a project. Right now, if you ask the agent to do something as simple as putting a photo over an audio track, youāll get better results if you produce the audio yourself first and then give it to the agent to assemble. And of course, your mileage will varyāitās always good to check with someone sighted to make sure the final output is in the correct order. There are also big accessibility limitations. You canāt access certain websites for security reasons, and it canāt complete captchas. If youāre using VoiceOver and try to take over the browser when a captcha pops up, thereās no way to interact with the elements on the pageāat least not on iPhone. That locks you out of certain tasks entirely. Some sites also block themselves from being accessed in ChatGPT, so you wonāt be ordering from Amazon, for example.
These arenāt necessarily failures on ChatGPTās part, but it still means thereās a long way to go. Theyāve also āupgradedā the voices, but personally, I think they should have stuck with the old ones. There was nothing wrong with them, and I actually preferred them. This is still very earlyāit hasnāt even been out for a weekāso hiccups are expected. Thereās more to come in the pipeline, Iām sure. I wouldnāt say Iām impressed, but Iām not disappointed either.
Pretty good. Not having toā¦
Pretty good. Not having to choose the model is helpful.
regarding the agent, I think this is where apple will get ahead. Without access to things like keychain or local applications, the whole thing is a little sludgy. it is a way off at the moment, though I disagree that it is two or three years.
One thing that is a frustration, and nothing to do with Chat GPT itself, is very long conversations don't play well with voiceover which becomes sluggish. I think its back to voiceover struggling with large context windows as it does in long documents.
I might have a look at the accessibility built into chrome and see if that gives better performance.
I like it
Its nice. Wish the Pro Plan for Chatp GPT wasn't so expensive... that's a lot of money a month. I do agree with the person that said not having to choose a model every time is nice.
Not having to choose a model
I couldn't agree more. Some of these models have so many different flavors that you need an AI to figure out which AI model to use! Oh yes, there's an idea...Have the AI model figure out which specialty model to use!!! ššš-
--Pete
What are the advantages ofā¦
What are the advantages of pro? I saw Sam Altman tweeted that they're considering giving plus users a very limited number of pro tokens.
Plus versus pro. I need some answers
Based on my understanding, most of what you get on the Pro plan seems to be similar to whatās already available on the Plus plan, just with greater detail. I think on the Pro version you can create short videosāaround five secondsābut they donāt have any sound, no audio, not like Google Gemini. It also appears to have higher usage limits for certain features, for whatever thatās worth, such as screen sharing or video sharing, and maybe better analysis or higher reasoning capabilities.
Is anyone here actually on the Pro plan? I also find the upgrade process a bit deceptive. Maybe itās me, but is there a way to sign up for the Pro plan directly? From what Iāve seen, I can only sign up for the Pro plan if Iām already on the Plus plan. That makes no sense to me. Based on how subscriptions work in the App Store, I should be able to subscribe directly to Pro, but I canāt. It feels contradictory. Is it possible to sign up for Pro directly through the website? Because right now, itās like theyāre saying I need to pay $20 for Plus first, and then on top of that spend $200 or whatever Pro costs per month. Thatās absurd. Can someone please explain? If you have 1,000 customers, wouldnāt it make more sense to have one plan with all the features for $20ā$30 so more people can afford it, instead of charging $200 and having maybe only 200 out of the 1,000 customers able to pay? I get that part of the high price is probably to reduce usage of the more power-intensive features so they donāt overload their servers, but stillāwouldnāt a lower cost plan that more people could buy make more sense than a high cost with fewer customers? I donāt quite understand the logic here.
I noticed that too, with theā¦
I noticed that too, with the Pro plan.
That is, if you go through the iOS store like I did.
Honestly, itās way too expensive for the Pro plan.
In Australian dollars, youāre looking at around 200 a month, or maybe even 300. Yeah, count me out.
It's Ā£200 here. It isā¦
It's £200 here. It is uncapped for most things, but I just didn't know if it had some extra magic sauce.
I'm getting into vibe programming and am super impressed with what I"m doing in XCode, as in, it is impressive, not me, so £200 a month could work if one was a professional. I guess, it's the question if it's 10 times as good, or if it's simply for those who don't want any limitations.
Just checking, limits areā¦
Just checking, limits are considerably higher but you do get access to GPT 5 Pro which is greater compute for more complex tasks.